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Don't get frustrated now. You won't get
it. Just keep trying. You'll get it.

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Good.

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All right.

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Oh!

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I can't believe you just did that. That
counts.

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You'd be out.

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The glove has got to be on your hand.

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Where does it say that? Oh, you kiddo.
Where does it say that? Where? Show me.

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can't believe you just did that.

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Hi, Brenda.

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Hi, Debbie.

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Let's get together and play some cards.

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That'd be great, but not this weekend.
We've got soccer, the Little League, and

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two birthday parties.

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Plus, I told them I'd help out at church
on Sunday. But next weekend might be

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all right.

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Girls, play nice.

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You look exhausted.

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Yeah, I've been really getting into it
with my stepmom.

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Marianne doesn't like the way I'm
raising my girls.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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So lucky your family's tight.

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Oh, God.

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All right, I'll call you. Okay.

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Okay, Mom.

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Look, Jenny, Carolyn, girls, come on. I
told you.

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You see, it went much farther that time.

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All right, I'm done. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it did, didn't it? Yeah. It's going to

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soar across the park.

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Watch this.

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This one's the one.

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Okay.

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You ready?

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Oh, yeah.

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Not that way.

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Good job.

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Good job.

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Janet, Marianne Barber is on the phone
again about her granddaughter.

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She sounds upset.

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Should I get the McKeown file? I've got
it.

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Mrs. Barber, what's going on?

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Of course.

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Of course we're concerned.

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You sure you don't want to stay and play
cards?

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No, thanks. Honey, Dick wants to work on
the taxes tonight.

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Oh, I'm sure that would be much more
fun.

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Oh, Frank, I can hardly contain myself.
He whips out that calculator and I am

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just putty in his hands.

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Thanks for dinner, Brenda.

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Anytime, Dick.

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Scott, your parents are leaving.

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Bye.

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Here take go both of you and separate I

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See you What

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Kids say their prayers. Yeah.

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We send them to bed early.

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Yeah. And then we muggle up in front of
the TV and see which one of us can stay

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awake long enough to make love.

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Now, while that might be a very tempting
challenge, that would be the

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McEwans.

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Tonight? Honey, I told you about this
weeks ago.

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Oh, God, I don't want to hang out with
them tonight. All you have to do is play

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cards and smile.

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Hi. Hi.

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Come on in. Hey.

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Hey. Hi. Hey, buddy. How are you? All
right.

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So where are the girls?

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Uh, they're not with us.

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Oh, the boys will be disappointed.

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Yeah. Sorry, they're just sleeping over
at my dad and stepmom's.

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Oh, I know. Our boys live for staying
with their grandparents.

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Actually, uh, Mary Ann's been giving us
a lot of grief lately.

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Really? She's had some psychological
problems.

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Well, it's nothing serious, I hope.

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Probably not. No, we're dealing with it.

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Well, you know, let us know if we can do
anything.

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Watch the girls.

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Great.

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We told Marianne we had lots of friends
who would stick up for us. Good people

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like you guys.

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Actually, Scott, I was wondering if
you'd be a character witness for us.

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A character?

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What, is she taking you to court?

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We can't predict what she'll do next.
Yeah, of course, if you're uncomfortable

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with that. No, no, no, no, no. It's
fine.

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Hey, let's play some cards, huh?

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Hello, yes? This is Mary Ann Barber.
Now, you will not believe what the girls

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are saying now. This is bigger than
anyone realizes.

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The girls have been threatened if they
talk. Now, they are ready to accuse all

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the others involved.

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So we need protection.

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We need protection now. Okay, I'll send
you an escort to the DA's office in the

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morning. I'll coordinate everything with
Vera Bradley, the child abuse

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counselor.

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Vera and I gathered the names of the
other people the McEwen girls say

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them. Besides the parents? Yes.

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And who are these people?

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Friends of the McEwens.

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They're in on it together.

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Sam, it may only be the tip of an
iceberg.

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The accusations include orgies, being
hung from hooks and beaten, being sold

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motels, made to watch snuff films and
perform in front of cameras.

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What kind of monsters do these things to
children? Well, some of these charges

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do seem kind of unlikely.

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Unlikely?

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Do you think these kids could make this
up?

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I don't know what goes on in your house,
but my kids don't know this stuff.

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No, of course not.

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Evidently, there's a whole lot of shit
to be stashed in these homes.

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Thank you, ladies.

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So, Bob, what do you think?

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I think we should move as quickly as
possible on this one.

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We can have the search and arrest
warrants in a matter of hours.

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Let's show Kern County what we can do.

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We took a real beating in the press for
the way we handled the Dana Butler

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murder. I want a highly coordinated,
very public effort this time around.

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one's going to go like clockwork.

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Get me the editor of the Californian.

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I want all the media in on this.

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Brandon Niffin? Yes.

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Ma 'am, you are under arrest.

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Oh, you're making a mistake.

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Where is your husband?

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Stop that.

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Where is your husband?

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He's at work. Where does he work? Stop
that. Where does he work? He's the

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inventory parts manager at Delaney and
Al.

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But stop.

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My little boys are asleep back there.
Your boys?

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All right, well, let's wake them up.

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Brandon? Come on.

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Ryan, time to wake up.

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It's okay. It's just a big mistake. Your
dad's going to sort it all out.

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My stuff!

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My stuff! No, no, Brian. Just let him
look around.

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Did I do something wrong? No, no. Of
course not. Get dressed, ma 'am, or

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take you down like that.

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You can pull us out from there. That's
all right. Here.

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All right, Sona.

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Let's go get dressed.

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Okay.

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All right.

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We have to get dressed.

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Go ahead.

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Okay, let's see. These are yours. All
right.

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Here you go, sweetheart.

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There's

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nothing here.

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Come with me, boys.

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Wait, where are you taking them?
Shalimar Children's Center.

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Let me call their grandparents.

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They need to come with us. They can stay
at the neighbor's. They need to come

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with us.

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Okay, all right.

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What's happening, Mommy?

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Okay.

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I want you to go with these nice
policemen and do exactly as they say,

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And I'll be about to pick you up as soon
as I get everything worked out.

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Okay. Just be a good boy and you'll be
fine. Come on, son.

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Mommy! Take care of your little brother.

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I will, Mom.

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You're scaring them. We'll take care of
them. Well, you know, in any case as

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disturbing as this one, I feel it's
incumbent upon the district attorney's

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office to move quickly and efficiently
to excise this tumor,

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basically, if you think of it that way,
on the community.

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I mean, just like with the doctor, we
have to do what's prudent.

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We have reports indicating that photos
were taken during the activity, and with

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this surprise search, We expect to
confiscate all of the evidence. We want

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people of Kern County to know that their
children are safe.

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Got nipping? Yeah. You're under arrest.

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You have the right to remain silent.

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You have the right to an attorney.

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If you cannot afford an attorney, one
will be appointed to you.

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What are you doing in a squad car?

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Child endangerment.

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Jenny and Carolyn are queuing. What are
you, crazy? I'm particular.

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Get in the vehicle.

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Get in. All right, all right.

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Brandon, what is going on? Are you okay?

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They burst into the house, and they took
the boys.

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What? I forgot what's happening.

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I don't know.

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I sure as hell am going to find out.

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Okay, I guess it boils down to you tell
me where the photographs and the

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pictures are.

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If you can find some, have at it.

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Because I have never done anything of
this nature in my entire life with any

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child. These allegations are absurd.

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Debbie

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and

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Alvin's girls are saying we did those
things to them?

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I don't even know what some of those
things are.

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We want to know where the pictures are.

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Is that what you were looking for in my
house? Dirty pictures?

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You won't find anything.

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None of this happened.

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The McCune girls are lying.

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What would you say if I told you that
your children are talking with one of

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counselors right now and making the same
claims?

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Never.

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They would never say that.

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Ask them.

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Just ask my children.

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Never. You just ask them.

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Ask my kids.

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Jenny and Caroline just told me about
what's been happening to you.

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So I already know.

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And it's okay for you to tell me the
truth.

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Nothing happened.

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I know that people have been touching
and hurting your body.

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No.

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You can trust me, Brandon.

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I want to help you.

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And I want to help your parents.

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Are they in trouble?

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Yes, they are.

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And if you help me, then we can help you
and your brother.

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We can make it all stop.

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We know about the motel rooms and being
hung from hooks and about the strangers.

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I want to make it easy for you to talk
to me.

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You think you can talk to me?

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Have your mom and dad and the McEwans
been touching your body, your

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privates, in ways that hurt you?

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No. Brian, it's very important that you
tell me the truth.

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You're safe in here.

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If Brandon is saying that these things
happened, is Brandon lying?

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Um... No.

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So what happened?

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Okay.

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They are calling it the Niffin McEwen
molestation ring.

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The parents have been charged with
multiple counts of heinous crime

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against their own children.

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Brendan Hinton, 29, and mother of two
young boys, is being held here in Kern

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County along with her husband, Scott.

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They are expected to make bail this
weekend.

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There have been unsubstantiated reports
of traffic materials found.

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And so, after a long investigation... I
didn't even know where I worked.

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Brenda said when they got there, they
didn't know that we had children.

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What kind of investigation is that?

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Two little girls tell lies and we're in
jail.

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My children will never say these things.

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That's what I thought.

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Debbie, what's going on?

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Marianne has my girls believe in all
this crazy stuff happened to them.

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Now she pulled you into it, too.

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Well, why? What do we have to do with
it?

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Marianne wants custody.

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She believes this happened.

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I guess when we told her that you were
going to help us... I'm so sorry she

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pulled you into this.

253
00:15:20,330 --> 00:15:22,010
But who would believe these things?

254
00:15:22,590 --> 00:15:27,570
I mean, hooks and fishing line and
cameras and hotels. I mean, my God, it's

255
00:15:27,570 --> 00:15:28,570
sickening.

256
00:15:31,370 --> 00:15:33,830
How can anybody get your little girl to
say these things?

257
00:15:34,630 --> 00:15:37,230
My stepmom's obsessed with molestation.

258
00:15:40,130 --> 00:15:43,390
Who knows what she's got my girls
believing now that they're living with

259
00:15:46,970 --> 00:15:48,050
They're living with her?

260
00:15:48,890 --> 00:15:50,430
She's got temporary custody.

261
00:15:51,070 --> 00:15:52,350
You didn't tell us that.

262
00:15:54,290 --> 00:15:58,450
When you asked Scott to be a character
witness, why weren't you honest about

263
00:15:58,450 --> 00:15:59,650
this? Dear God, Brenda!

264
00:16:00,950 --> 00:16:04,350
I didn't think anyone would believe
this. Who would believe all of this?

265
00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:11,870
Did you ever see other children at the
hotels?

266
00:16:13,750 --> 00:16:14,750
No.

267
00:16:16,750 --> 00:16:19,670
Well, you told Vera when you talked to
her that...

268
00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,920
Sometimes there might be another child.

269
00:16:22,260 --> 00:16:23,480
Was that a mistake?

270
00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:30,320
Kids... might be there.

271
00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,200
Okay. Good, Brent.

272
00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:40,340
Now, did they ever... I mean, did the
grown -ups at the hotels ever make you

273
00:16:40,340 --> 00:16:42,960
touch their privates with your mouth?

274
00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,240
No.

275
00:16:46,540 --> 00:16:47,780
Are you sure?

276
00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:52,640
Brian told us that both you and he were
forced into it.

277
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:54,600
Is that true?

278
00:16:58,440 --> 00:16:59,440
No.

279
00:16:59,860 --> 00:17:04,940
Well, was Brian telling us the truth
when he said that? Did that ever happen

280
00:17:04,940 --> 00:17:05,940
you?

281
00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:17,520
Did anyone ever... Did you ever have
anyone...

282
00:17:18,109 --> 00:17:20,210
Do anything to your bottom?

283
00:17:21,250 --> 00:17:22,250
No.

284
00:17:23,569 --> 00:17:25,690
You didn't do anything wrong.

285
00:17:26,690 --> 00:17:27,690
Okay?

286
00:17:28,109 --> 00:17:30,710
We need you to remember.

287
00:17:52,910 --> 00:17:53,990
So it did happen.

288
00:17:58,190 --> 00:18:00,050
Please, I want to go home.

289
00:18:00,290 --> 00:18:01,310
Don't get scared.

290
00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:03,910
Don't get scared on me, Brian.

291
00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:08,710
We told you that we wouldn't lie to you,
Brian, and we won't.

292
00:18:09,330 --> 00:18:10,570
I miss my mommy.

293
00:18:12,450 --> 00:18:13,550
Of course you do.

294
00:18:15,210 --> 00:18:19,250
You did really good, Brian. I know it's
hard to keep going over this.

295
00:18:19,690 --> 00:18:21,010
You're a really good boy.

296
00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:23,620
Now, this is Dr. Woodling.

297
00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,220
And he's going to do a physical, you
know, check you out a little bit.

298
00:18:44,580 --> 00:18:45,880
We're going to help you move.

299
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:50,280
I'm moving?

300
00:18:51,310 --> 00:18:54,590
So you're the b**** that likes the
mouths of little kids.

301
00:18:57,650 --> 00:18:59,750
Janie, give her a hand with that
mattress.

302
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,140
Brenda, are you all right?

303
00:19:27,740 --> 00:19:29,220
Brenda. Mom.

304
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,280
I think I took the first flight.

305
00:19:33,380 --> 00:19:34,580
Where are the boys?

306
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,440
Do you need a doctor? What the f*** is
going on here?

307
00:19:37,140 --> 00:19:38,140
Where are my children?

308
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,360
They're at the Chalamar Center. Let's
get out of here. I want to pick up the

309
00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:44,360
boys.

310
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:45,600
Dad's got the car.

311
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,360
Here it is!

312
00:19:51,780 --> 00:19:53,080
Excuse me.

313
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,400
Excuse me.

314
00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:59,580
Can you get out of the way? Excuse me.

315
00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:01,560
Oh,

316
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:16,240
my

317
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,240
God.

318
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,720
I want to be certain that Kevin Conway
is the best attorney we can get. I want

319
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:23,920
this over with fast.

320
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:27,820
I don't understand this.

321
00:20:28,020 --> 00:20:30,500
I thought we were innocent until proven
guilty in this country.

322
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:31,720
What have they done?

323
00:20:34,140 --> 00:20:35,680
How can they keep our children?

324
00:20:36,260 --> 00:20:39,380
We're trying to get a visit with the
boys. So far, none of us has been

325
00:20:39,380 --> 00:20:41,400
to see them. They're in protective
custody.

326
00:20:42,020 --> 00:20:43,220
They're protected from who?

327
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,460
They can just take them.

328
00:20:48,140 --> 00:20:50,980
Anytime they want, they can just take
our children.

329
00:20:55,530 --> 00:20:59,870
They keep asking me over and over, and
when I say no, they just ask again and

330
00:20:59,870 --> 00:21:02,670
again, and they won't stop, and they
yell at me when I answer wrong.

331
00:21:04,130 --> 00:21:05,170
Don't answer wrong.

332
00:21:06,530 --> 00:21:10,070
You have to do what they say. They can
come and get us any time. Just take us

333
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:11,070
away.

334
00:21:11,910 --> 00:21:13,310
I want to go home.

335
00:21:17,730 --> 00:21:19,490
What do you think they did to Mom and
Dad?

336
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:24,920
I'm worried about him.

337
00:21:28,260 --> 00:21:29,260
Me too.

338
00:22:08,970 --> 00:22:12,130
The court has ordered the welfare
department to hand over the Niffin

339
00:22:12,130 --> 00:22:14,150
for interviews with the attorney for the
defense.

340
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:16,330
I don't think that's good for the
children.

341
00:22:16,930 --> 00:22:18,050
They're very fragile.

342
00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:19,910
They've already been through so much.

343
00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:24,450
Deny access.

344
00:22:24,770 --> 00:22:25,810
It's a court order.

345
00:22:26,550 --> 00:22:27,550
Ignore it.

346
00:22:29,950 --> 00:22:32,390
What about the family visit with just
the grandmothers?

347
00:22:34,110 --> 00:22:35,610
One visit, supervised.

348
00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:39,950
Anyone mentions the case or the parents,
and it's over.

349
00:22:47,290 --> 00:22:53,210
How are you? Oh, we missed you very
much.

350
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:55,490
What did they do to Mom and Dad?

351
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:57,690
When can we go home?

352
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:59,550
We're trying to work that out.

353
00:23:00,750 --> 00:23:02,310
So come on now, you tell me, how's
school?

354
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:03,710
Did you do your fractions?

355
00:23:04,650 --> 00:23:07,530
Are you on the hip? Oh, it's so good to
see you. I miss you so much.

356
00:23:07,910 --> 00:23:09,310
You're nearly as tall as me.

357
00:23:12,610 --> 00:23:13,610
Honey,

358
00:23:18,110 --> 00:23:19,410
these are for you.

359
00:23:19,690 --> 00:23:21,370
There's one for you and one for your
brother.

360
00:23:25,030 --> 00:23:31,330
Brandon, the things you said about your
mom and dad, were they

361
00:23:31,330 --> 00:23:32,330
true?

362
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,040
No. Then why did you say them?

363
00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:44,200
They kept saying they wanted to tell the
truth.

364
00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:46,740
But then they don't believe us.

365
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,320
They keep us in the room for hours every
day and ask us over and over until we

366
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,320
agree with them.

367
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:56,760
I'm really scared.

368
00:24:02,020 --> 00:24:03,060
Let's go find Brandon.

369
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:06,960
I'll be right here.

370
00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:18,500
Oh, God, Corrine.

371
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,580
I don't know how Scott and Brenda are
staying through all this.

372
00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:24,220
Brenda said she'd kill herself before
she'd go to prison.

373
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,640
Bye -bye, honey. Bye -bye. See you soon.
I love you.

374
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,380
So, if I can't be with my parents right
now, then...

375
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,160
Why can't I stay with Grandma and
Grandpa Nevin?

376
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,200
Well, it's really complicated, Brian.

377
00:24:40,780 --> 00:24:42,400
Everyone's just trying to do the right
thing.

378
00:24:43,580 --> 00:24:44,580
Brandon.

379
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,320
Brandon, what's wrong?

380
00:24:48,740 --> 00:24:50,220
Is my mom gonna die?

381
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,260
Corrine Oliver told Brandon that his
mother's going to kill herself.

382
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,000
I knew this was a bad idea.

383
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,380
He's a basket case.

384
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,100
Have we lost him as a witness?

385
00:25:01,980 --> 00:25:02,980
I don't know.

386
00:25:03,210 --> 00:25:05,710
I want an arrest warrant for Corrine
Oliver.

387
00:25:06,170 --> 00:25:07,350
Witness tampering.

388
00:25:07,550 --> 00:25:09,010
I want her in jail now.

389
00:25:10,570 --> 00:25:11,790
No more visits.

390
00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:15,370
Those kids stay under wraps. Period. No
one sees them but us.

391
00:25:24,410 --> 00:25:25,410
Brenda.

392
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:26,990
Mom.

393
00:25:28,590 --> 00:25:29,590
Are you okay?

394
00:25:31,660 --> 00:25:33,200
This is Kevin Conway, our attorney.

395
00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:35,740
I'll be representing you in your case as
well, Miss Oliver.

396
00:25:35,980 --> 00:25:38,080
Can they just arrest people at their
whim?

397
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,900
Yeah, they can, and they are.

398
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,520
There's no one in Bakersfield right now
who's above suspicion.

399
00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:45,720
They're intimidating everyone who tries
to help us.

400
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,380
People are afraid to speak out because
then they're branded child abusers.

401
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,560
Once Brenda and Scott's trial is over,
I'm sure I can get the charges against

402
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,459
you dropped.

403
00:25:53,460 --> 00:25:56,520
But till then, for your own good, you're
going to have to stay away.

404
00:25:57,940 --> 00:26:00,700
Can't I at least testify about what
Brandon told me?

405
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,350
No. Not unless you want to incriminate
yourself and taint your own case. No.

406
00:26:04,590 --> 00:26:05,630
I'd advise against it.

407
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:08,250
Can't I... Can't I help?

408
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:09,950
No.

409
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:11,930
Go back to Mississippi.

410
00:26:13,090 --> 00:26:15,710
Because then at least I won't have to
worry about you.

411
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:18,190
And this is all going to be over soon.

412
00:26:19,030 --> 00:26:20,030
Has to be.

413
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:24,270
Vera, this is Andy Gindis.

414
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:28,010
I've appointed him lead counsel on a
different McKeown case.

415
00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:30,070
I hope you have a strong stomach.

416
00:26:30,730 --> 00:26:32,790
When you hear what's been done to these
sweet children.

417
00:26:33,250 --> 00:26:34,350
Well, I've read all the reports.

418
00:26:35,270 --> 00:26:38,390
It's sickening, the things these kids
have said. You've done a great job,

419
00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:39,570
Oh, thank you.

420
00:26:39,670 --> 00:26:40,670
It's not easy.

421
00:26:40,810 --> 00:26:42,050
It requires persistence.

422
00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:44,730
None of them want to talk about it.

423
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:47,810
Sometimes it takes all day, sometimes it
takes many days.

424
00:26:48,250 --> 00:26:51,050
But it's too important to give up on, no
matter how long it takes.

425
00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:52,470
I won't give up either.

426
00:26:53,290 --> 00:26:55,230
Well, Vera has a great talent with these
kids.

427
00:26:55,470 --> 00:26:57,250
She'll help you in whatever way you
need.

428
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:58,570
Yes, please, let me know.

429
00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:00,370
Great. I'll be in touch.

430
00:27:00,750 --> 00:27:01,750
All right. Thank you.

431
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:11,050
This is a big case, Andy.

432
00:27:12,150 --> 00:27:13,190
A big case.

433
00:27:13,670 --> 00:27:14,670
Everyone's watching.

434
00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:15,690
It's a career maker.

435
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:17,810
Well, Sam, it's a case I can really
believe in.

436
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:22,250
We have leads on at least two more huge
molestation cases.

437
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:24,990
I don't have to tell you how public this
is going to be.

438
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:27,470
Sam, it's going to take some time.

439
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:29,840
Okay, to make this case solid, we have
to take care.

440
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:31,360
These are children.

441
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:36,280
Oh, they're safely in custody. No one
can get to them. So take all the time

442
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,280
need.

443
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:42,280
Don't lose this case, Andy.

444
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:44,840
Not a chance.

445
00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:32,340
Okay, okay.

446
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:35,720
Easy, breathe now. Breathe, breathe,
breathe.

447
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,480
Shh, shh, shh. Okay.

448
00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:42,560
I thought I heard him, but I can't. Oh,
baby.

449
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,620
I can't, I can't.

450
00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:49,920
I keep trying to go on, but I can't.

451
00:28:52,020 --> 00:28:55,940
Come on, boys, just keep it together for
the boys, huh?

452
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:57,740
Kidnap their children.

453
00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:06,540
And every night I pray to God. And every
day I wake up to this empty room.

454
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,620
And what are they thinking about it? Do
they know that we still love them?

455
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,120
That we're trying to get them back? I
mean, God, what do they think?

456
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,040
We're going to win.

457
00:29:18,540 --> 00:29:19,540
I'm going to win.

458
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:24,760
God, how do we get back the last year
and a half of our lives?

459
00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:30,700
I mean, how do I get back at Christmas
and their birthdays and theirs?

460
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:32,070
All programs.

461
00:29:33,610 --> 00:29:36,030
How can we win, Scott?

462
00:29:38,050 --> 00:29:40,290
God, it kills me that I can't protect
you.

463
00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:43,530
And I couldn't protect them.

464
00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:45,250
No.

465
00:29:46,570 --> 00:29:48,930
I just can't stand feeling this
helpless.

466
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:51,450
It's happened to us.

467
00:29:55,850 --> 00:29:57,590
The trial is finally starting.

468
00:29:58,330 --> 00:30:00,960
Okay, and we're going to get up. in
front of that jury, and they are going

469
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,380
see that we are innocent.

470
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,240
You know what?

471
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,460
Forget about cooking. Let's go out to
eat.

472
00:30:11,540 --> 00:30:12,600
Oh, I don't know, Scott.

473
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:14,700
Listen, I know we owe it to ourselves,
huh?

474
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,980
I am not staying cooped up in here
forever.

475
00:30:37,420 --> 00:30:38,480
That's it. Get your manager. Now.

476
00:30:42,180 --> 00:30:43,180
Are you okay?

477
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,240
It's okay.

478
00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:45,620
You all right?

479
00:30:45,860 --> 00:30:46,860
Yeah.

480
00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:50,380
What's the problem? You listen to me.

481
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,900
For a year and a half, we've been
putting up with the stares and the

482
00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:56,380
Right here, right now, it stops.

483
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,700
And we've been coming to this restaurant
for over ten years.

484
00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:04,200
I don't give a damn what you think of
us, but you will treat my wife and me

485
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,200
respect.

486
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:07,040
I insist! Donuts.

487
00:31:54,380 --> 00:31:57,680
Protests continue alongside this
sensational trial.

488
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:03,160
There are new charges of molestation and
satanic cult worship, not only here,

489
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,140
but all across the United States.

490
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,520
A Pandora's box has been opened and hell
relieved.

491
00:32:10,660 --> 00:32:15,100
Dr. Woodland, what does your wink
response test show?

492
00:32:15,780 --> 00:32:19,660
Based on case history and medical exams
of the boys...

493
00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:25,300
I would say that the positive wink
response is caused from multiple

494
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:27,260
of the anus with an erect finger.

495
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,820
Brandon Niffin, Your Honor.

496
00:32:57,740 --> 00:33:03,100
Okay, Brandon, you remember when you
told me about the nasty things that your

497
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:04,100
parents did to you?

498
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:06,940
Yes.

499
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:08,340
Okay.

500
00:33:08,620 --> 00:33:13,360
Well, let's talk about the times your
mom and dad and Debbie and Alvin McEwen

501
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,440
hung you from the hooks in your house
and put their fingers in your butt.

502
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,240
Objection. Leading.

503
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,740
Your Honor, these are little children.

504
00:33:24,060 --> 00:33:25,400
I have to lead a little.

505
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,000
Overruled.

506
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,580
Be careful, Mr. Guindas.

507
00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:33,220
Brandon, you told me they hung you from
hooks.

508
00:33:34,780 --> 00:33:35,780
Yes.

509
00:33:37,460 --> 00:33:38,800
What have they done to him?

510
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,940
I'd like to call Brian Niffin, Your
Honor.

511
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:57,800
Brian, this way.

512
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,120
Your Honor, please.

513
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,699
Brian, let's take what he says.

514
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,900
Did you see him? Did you see him? He
looked worse than Brad. Oh, God, our

515
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:55,780
little boy. Oh, God. Oh,

516
00:34:56,820 --> 00:34:58,340
I just want to hold him.

517
00:35:01,710 --> 00:35:02,710
Brian, look at me.

518
00:35:03,690 --> 00:35:04,690
Look at me.

519
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:07,270
I know you're embarrassed.

520
00:35:08,350 --> 00:35:10,110
You can do this, okay?

521
00:35:12,670 --> 00:35:14,130
Brian, you need to help us.

522
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:21,310
Don't you want to help this be over for
you and for Brandon and for

523
00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:22,990
your parents?

524
00:35:24,090 --> 00:35:25,090
Yeah? Okay.

525
00:35:25,650 --> 00:35:26,650
Me too.

526
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:29,770
Look at me, Brian.

527
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,800
Look at me.

528
00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:35,240
Now you just do what we talked about.
You tell the truth.

529
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,040
In a couple of days, I promise, this
whole thing is going to be over.

530
00:35:41,060 --> 00:35:42,060
Okay?

531
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:45,740
You were touching their private parts.

532
00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:50,620
Yes.

533
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:53,080
What, with your mouth or your hand?

534
00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:55,160
Objection, Your Honor. He's leading.

535
00:35:55,940 --> 00:35:56,940
Overruled.

536
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,700
With your hand or with your mouth?

537
00:36:01,180 --> 00:36:02,180
My hand.

538
00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:04,000
Okay, okay.

539
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:08,400
Now, when you were hanging from the
hook, what did your mommy do to you?

540
00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:10,340
Objection, Your Honor. Foundation.

541
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,780
Overruled. These are children, Mr.
Conway.

542
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,320
When you were hanging from the hook,
what did your mommy do to you?

543
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:24,040
Stick her mouth on my... Stick her
finger in our bottom.

544
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,800
In your bottom?

545
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:28,240
Yes.

546
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:35,260
Now, let's talk about the strangers and
the pictures, okay?

547
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:39,700
Okay, Brian, you can go.

548
00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:41,320
You did very well.

549
00:36:41,780 --> 00:36:42,780
You're a very good boy.

550
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:44,640
There you go.

551
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,400
You can just go off with the officer
there. You did very well, Brian.

552
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:07,170
Absolutely not.

553
00:37:08,130 --> 00:37:09,130
Never.

554
00:37:10,090 --> 00:37:11,090
Never.

555
00:37:12,270 --> 00:37:14,390
It's been torture being without my boys.

556
00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:17,870
I love my children more than my own
life.

557
00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:22,930
These things did not happen. I don't
know why they're saying this.

558
00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:25,550
But I love my sons.

559
00:37:33,850 --> 00:37:34,850
So?

560
00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:38,230
Denied. Denied?

561
00:37:38,330 --> 00:37:42,130
Judge Ferguson just ruled that Marian
Barber's psychological history was not

562
00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:46,210
relevant. Not relevant? It's what
started this whole thing.

563
00:37:46,770 --> 00:37:49,710
She's the one who told those little
girls what to say in the first place.

564
00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:52,190
We've got ourselves quite a perfect
score here, don't we?

565
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:56,070
Request for pretrial interview with the
children, denied. Our own physical with

566
00:37:56,070 --> 00:37:57,110
the children, denied.

567
00:37:57,350 --> 00:38:00,710
Statement by their regular pediatrician,
denied. Statements from their teachers,

568
00:38:00,770 --> 00:38:01,770
for God's sake, denied.

569
00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:03,810
Irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant.

570
00:38:04,210 --> 00:38:05,210
You know.

571
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,960
That Judge Ferguson lost his election
bid for district attorney because he was

572
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,920
painted as soft on child molesters. Yes,
I know that.

573
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:15,040
Oh, God, what can I do to make this
right?

574
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,680
You understand.

575
00:38:24,740 --> 00:38:25,740
My son.

576
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:31,520
My son and Brenda, their lives are on
the line. What else can we do?

577
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,080
I've tried everything.

578
00:38:44,010 --> 00:38:45,330
couldn't defend these people right now.

579
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:52,370
There is nobody here, nobody, who has
the power to make these children lie

580
00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:53,690
against their parents.

581
00:38:54,850 --> 00:39:01,010
They got up on the stand, one after the
other, and they described scenes of

582
00:39:01,010 --> 00:39:05,050
horrendous perversion and abuse, and
they stuck to those facts no matter how

583
00:39:05,050 --> 00:39:06,810
many times the defense attorneys
questioned them.

584
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:08,430
They told the truth.

585
00:39:09,740 --> 00:39:15,140
This case is strong because guilt has
been proven beyond a reasonable doubt by

586
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:20,160
four children and by substantial and
very powerful corroborative medical

587
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,160
evidence.

588
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:30,860
For these children, what

589
00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:32,420
horrors existed for them at night?

590
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:37,940
You are the only people who have the
power to put an end to that night.

591
00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:42,290
Children don't lie about sexual abuse.

592
00:39:44,770 --> 00:39:46,250
Children don't lie.

593
00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:48,730
Thank you.

594
00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:54,790
These children have been in the custody
of the welfare department since they

595
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:58,750
were taken forcibly from their parents
over two years ago.

596
00:40:00,250 --> 00:40:03,750
The district attorney's office has had
unlimited access to these children.

597
00:40:03,970 --> 00:40:07,370
The defense has had none.

598
00:40:09,390 --> 00:40:15,710
In Salem, two little girls pointed their
fingers and said, those people are

599
00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:16,710
witches.

600
00:40:17,230 --> 00:40:22,330
And those people were taken before a
jury, and 20 of them were hung.

601
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:26,570
What went wrong there is going wrong
here.

602
00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:29,170
Hysteria.

603
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:38,210
Please, do not put down your reason, as
Mr. Guindas has asked, and just believe.

604
00:40:40,070 --> 00:40:45,470
Use your reason. Ask yourself, is what
these children are saying

605
00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:47,130
reasonable?

606
00:40:49,710 --> 00:40:56,690
For the sake of these children and their
families, please, use your reason.

607
00:40:58,170 --> 00:40:59,170
Thank you.

608
00:41:00,430 --> 00:41:02,150
Damn paper, Carolyn.

609
00:41:02,690 --> 00:41:06,530
Really, Brenda, they're part of the
hysteria. They wrote about it day after

610
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:07,850
because it's those papers.

611
00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:09,330
You wrote big.

612
00:41:09,580 --> 00:41:10,580
Dory.

613
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:20,020
I haven't held my children in over two
years.

614
00:41:20,260 --> 00:41:22,140
It's almost over. We're nearly there.

615
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,520
What if they've forgotten me?

616
00:41:26,380 --> 00:41:33,240
This may be the largest in the current
wave of molestation cases to be

617
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:34,240
indicted nationwide.

618
00:41:36,220 --> 00:41:37,220
More victims?

619
00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:41,170
Yes, hello?

620
00:41:42,250 --> 00:41:43,250
Thank you.

621
00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:49,010
The jury is back.

622
00:41:52,030 --> 00:41:53,750
Okay, okay, all right.

623
00:41:58,670 --> 00:42:01,790
All right, at worst, we'll get a hung
jury, all right?

624
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:07,990
I mean, come on, these stories of kids
hanging from hooks all over our living

625
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:08,729
room, it's...

626
00:42:08,730 --> 00:42:11,110
A load of Christmas. It's not visibly
possible.

627
00:42:11,790 --> 00:42:14,610
No one person could believe these
stories, let alone 12.

628
00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:17,630
Okay, two years and one month.

629
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:19,230
And it ends today.

630
00:42:40,330 --> 00:42:41,650
Will the defendants please rise?

631
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:47,670
Have you reached a verdict?

632
00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:49,410
We have, Your Honor.

633
00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:56,810
We, the jury, in the above entitled
case, find the defendant, Scott Niffin,

634
00:42:56,970 --> 00:43:00,990
guilty in violation of 69 counts of
child abuse.

635
00:43:01,330 --> 00:43:07,430
We find Brenda Niffin guilty on 70
counts of child abuse. We find Alvin

636
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:14,190
McCune... Guilty. We find Deborah McCune
guilty in violation of 69 counts of

637
00:43:14,190 --> 00:43:15,450
child abuse. Guilty.

638
00:43:15,730 --> 00:43:16,830
Guilty. Guilty.

639
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:18,790
Guilty. Guilty.

640
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:24,370
Brandon Niffin, you are hereby sentenced
to 240 years.

641
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:28,530
Scott Niffin, you are hereby sentenced
to 240 years.

642
00:43:28,930 --> 00:43:32,490
You are both remanded into the custody
of the state of California.

643
00:43:35,070 --> 00:43:36,670
Oh, hey, help me.

644
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,500
Judge Ferguson's sentence was harsh and
swift.

645
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,080
Alvin and Debbie McEwen will each serve
more than 250 years for their crimes.

646
00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:08,440
Scott and Brenda Niffin, 240 years
apiece. The sentences are the longest

647
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,350
imposed. Here in Kern County.

648
00:44:22,610 --> 00:44:27,230
The welfare department feels it's best
for the children to say goodbye.

649
00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:28,990
The kids need closure.

650
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:32,490
We'll allow one 15 -minute visit, no
crying.

651
00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:35,350
If you cry, we will end it.

652
00:44:35,570 --> 00:44:36,570
Okay.

653
00:44:43,180 --> 00:44:44,180
Okay, boy.

654
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,900
Oh, my God.

655
00:44:51,260 --> 00:44:52,400
Look at you.

656
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,100
I can't believe it.

657
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,400
Oh, my God.

658
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:03,680
Oh, my God, you got so tall.

659
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:07,660
So, can we all go home now?

660
00:45:44,590 --> 00:45:49,370
Dear Brandon, I want you to know that no
matter what you've been told, your

661
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:51,630
mommy loves you with all my heart and
soul.

662
00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:56,130
I know you were forced into saying those
things in court, and I don't want you

663
00:45:56,130 --> 00:45:57,590
to ever blame yourself.

664
00:45:59,050 --> 00:46:02,830
You and Brian will always be the most
precious things in our lives.

665
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:06,450
Dad and I tried so hard to get you back.

666
00:46:07,810 --> 00:46:09,550
Help Brian to understand that.

667
00:46:10,570 --> 00:46:12,650
I want you guys to know that I'm okay.

668
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,480
And I believe that someday we will be
together again.

669
00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:20,440
What we have as a family will always be
in our hearts.

670
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:22,660
No one can take that from us.

671
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:29,300
I want you to grow up and be nice young
men, to go to college and love a girl as

672
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:30,660
much as I love your daddy.

673
00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:34,720
All we can pray for now is for God to
step in.

674
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:38,440
Don't ever forget he exists because he
does.

675
00:46:39,690 --> 00:46:43,930
What is most important to me is that you
boys stay together and that you take

676
00:46:43,930 --> 00:46:44,930
care of each other.

677
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:47,410
Remember, I love you guys.

678
00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:49,290
I always will.

679
00:46:50,050 --> 00:46:51,050
Mommy.

680
00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:55,690
Mom, I'm in protective custody here at
San Quentin.

681
00:46:56,670 --> 00:46:58,750
Evidently, guys like me don't last long
in here otherwise.

682
00:46:59,970 --> 00:47:03,550
I'm not far from Sirhan Sirhan and
Charles Manson.

683
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:07,210
Remember when I was a boy and used to
worry about the company I kept?

684
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:09,750
It'd be funny, but it's not.

685
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:13,070
Keep trying to get custody of the boys.

686
00:47:13,410 --> 00:47:14,530
It's all we hope for.

687
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:16,850
I'm so worried about Brenda.

688
00:47:22,690 --> 00:47:25,190
So, Brandon, could you tap me the beat?

689
00:47:29,090 --> 00:47:31,130
Thanks. How was your day, Brian?

690
00:47:32,050 --> 00:47:33,050
It was fun.

691
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:38,130
Yeah? Not good.

692
00:47:39,210 --> 00:47:40,210
What'd you do?

693
00:47:41,310 --> 00:47:42,310
Nothing, Mr. Black.

694
00:47:45,890 --> 00:47:48,230
You know, Brian, you can call me Dad.

695
00:47:52,310 --> 00:47:53,310
Um,

696
00:47:53,810 --> 00:47:55,190
that's okay, Mr. Black.

697
00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:58,010
Brian!

698
00:47:58,310 --> 00:47:59,310
Stop!

699
00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:04,650
You ought to call him whatever he wants.
Why?

700
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:06,090
He's not my dad!

701
00:48:06,460 --> 00:48:08,960
And I'm not calling anybody dad, but
dad.

702
00:48:12,740 --> 00:48:14,560
Come in.

703
00:48:15,860 --> 00:48:16,860
Andy.

704
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,360
How's the Pitts case coming?

705
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,680
Just like Niffin, only more of them.

706
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,640
Look, Sam, the court's revealing Marilyn
and Dick Niffin's petition for custody

707
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,860
of Brandon and Brian. Look, there is no
reason not to place them with the

708
00:48:32,860 --> 00:48:33,860
grandparents.

709
00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:37,150
Dick Niffin as much as called these boys
liars in the press. But shouldn't they

710
00:48:37,150 --> 00:48:38,029
be with family?

711
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:40,970
They are just going to pressure these
poor boys to recant. Now, they've been

712
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:41,970
through enough.

713
00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:43,330
It's not good for the appeal.

714
00:48:44,010 --> 00:48:45,050
Certainly not good for the kids.

715
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:50,030
So, go to juvenile court and fight
custody.

716
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:53,110
Thanks. You bet.

717
00:49:12,270 --> 00:49:13,270
We're good.

718
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:14,750
Really.

719
00:49:16,030 --> 00:49:17,270
I've settled in some.

720
00:49:19,150 --> 00:49:20,910
What about you, Marilyn? Are you okay?

721
00:49:22,750 --> 00:49:24,670
Yeah, but... What?

722
00:49:27,390 --> 00:49:29,410
He didn't just show up at the custody
hearing.

723
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:31,650
No.

724
00:49:31,870 --> 00:49:33,630
He had all kinds of paperwork.

725
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:35,290
And he fought us, and he won.

726
00:49:36,750 --> 00:49:37,750
Oh, no.

727
00:49:38,970 --> 00:49:40,470
I am so sorry.

728
00:49:41,230 --> 00:49:42,650
We tried so hard.

729
00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:45,450
I know, Marilyn.

730
00:49:46,290 --> 00:49:48,050
I know you've done everything.

731
00:49:48,690 --> 00:49:50,950
Sold everything, mortgaged everything.

732
00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:52,890
I know.

733
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:54,750
Perfect.

734
00:49:55,090 --> 00:49:57,230
You're in prison and you're comforting
me.

735
00:49:59,410 --> 00:50:00,430
Where are they?

736
00:50:01,650 --> 00:50:03,630
They're with a really nice foster
family.

737
00:50:04,510 --> 00:50:06,130
And they're both doing great.

738
00:50:07,390 --> 00:50:10,990
Although, Ginda shows up every week or
so and takes them out to talk about the

739
00:50:10,990 --> 00:50:12,650
case so they won't forget for the
appeal.

740
00:50:15,590 --> 00:50:17,410
Oh, I spoke to your mom yesterday.

741
00:50:18,350 --> 00:50:20,650
She's doing her best to get up here when
she can.

742
00:50:21,650 --> 00:50:22,650
Have you seen Scott?

743
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:24,270
Yeah.

744
00:50:24,970 --> 00:50:25,970
He looks okay.

745
00:50:27,330 --> 00:50:28,870
He's trying to get his own radio.

746
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:31,230
Oh, that'll help.

747
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:35,730
240 years in prison is a long time to be
without a radio.

748
00:50:45,070 --> 00:50:46,070
From the foster mom.

749
00:50:49,210 --> 00:50:50,410
Bryant's baby tooth.

750
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:57,930
She thought you might... Well...

751
00:50:57,930 --> 00:51:04,210
So much, isn't it?

752
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:11,430
My darling Scott, I get a lot of letters
from my mother.

753
00:51:12,130 --> 00:51:13,670
She sounds so sad.

754
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,360
I'm worried about her.

755
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,780
Writing to you is my only relief.

756
00:51:19,180 --> 00:51:22,360
The days are so very long and the nights
are longer.

757
00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:27,920
I will continue to write every day,
every single day, until we are together

758
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:28,920
again.

759
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:33,820
Do you think the boys get our cards and
we're missing their birthdays, their

760
00:51:33,820 --> 00:51:35,980
soccer games, their heartaches?

761
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,580
Who takes care of them when they're
sick?

762
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,720
I wonder if they still think about us.

763
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:47,400
Mommy.

764
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,000
Ryan?

765
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,280
I don't know what's true anymore.

766
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,400
No appetite?

767
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,200
Or just the wrong kind of meat?

768
00:52:40,820 --> 00:52:42,440
I know you like it young and tender.

769
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:45,800
I'm innocent, Landry.

770
00:52:46,820 --> 00:52:48,200
My kids will tell the truth.

771
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,420
And I'm going home to see you.

772
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,840
You're up for parole in a short 104
years.

773
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:04,480
We came to you because you're not from
Kern County and because we believe that

774
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,560
your past as a police officer will help.

775
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,800
For 12 years I'm a PD and 20 years
private.

776
00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:12,960
I've seen my share of parents who don't
believe what their kids have done.

777
00:53:13,759 --> 00:53:18,300
We know our children, Mr. Dunn. We want
you to help us figure out how this all

778
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:21,960
happened. I won't spin my wheels trying
to get guilty folks out of prison.

779
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,680
I have been a respected member of this
community my entire adult life. I've

780
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,160
served on the grand jury in this county.

781
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,960
Something went terribly wrong with this
case.

782
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,860
It's ruined all of our lives.

783
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:38,260
I'll tell you what I'll do.

784
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:41,960
I'll investigate.

785
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,080
You pay me my rate.

786
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:49,020
But if at any point I become convinced
they're guilty, I'm gone. And what you

787
00:53:49,020 --> 00:53:50,040
paid, you paid.

788
00:53:56,140 --> 00:53:57,118
Mr. Dunn?

789
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,120
Ma 'am.

790
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,700
So I've been reading the newspaper
articles.

791
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,440
It all seems a bit frenzied.

792
00:54:08,660 --> 00:54:09,459
A bit?

793
00:54:09,460 --> 00:54:11,340
How do you think this happened to you,
Mrs. Neff?

794
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:19,230
I think Debbie McCune's stepmom became
convinced that her granddaughters were

795
00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:20,230
being molested.

796
00:54:21,090 --> 00:54:25,630
She wanted to discredit anyone who could
help Alvin or Debbie, anyone who would

797
00:54:25,630 --> 00:54:28,210
get in the way of her getting custody of
those little girls.

798
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:30,910
And she decided we were in the way.

799
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:35,330
Pretty drastic dragging you into this.
Seems like there are a lot of kids all

800
00:54:35,330 --> 00:54:36,850
over the place accusing people now.

801
00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:38,130
Why do you think that is?

802
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:39,970
I have no idea.

803
00:54:42,490 --> 00:54:43,890
We were so naive.

804
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,620
We never believed we could be found
guilty.

805
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:52,700
It wasn't possible.

806
00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:56,420
And why do you think your boys did what
they did in court?

807
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,940
That is the only thing I want to know.

808
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,600
Mr. Dunn, find out what they did to my
little boys.

809
00:55:13,420 --> 00:55:14,420
Okay.

810
00:55:14,740 --> 00:55:15,820
I'll warn you, though.

811
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,200
I'm not going to lie to you.

812
00:55:17,260 --> 00:55:19,120
It could take years to unravel this.

813
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,460
You know where to find me.

814
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,920
Dear Scott, another lonely Christmas.

815
00:55:30,220 --> 00:55:31,220
I prayed.

816
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:37,560
The cafeteria made turkey, which wasn't
half bad. Dear Brenda, I got to work in

817
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:38,259
the yard.

818
00:55:38,260 --> 00:55:41,580
It was so wonderful to be outside and
see the sky.

819
00:55:42,060 --> 00:55:44,920
I wish we were somewhere where the
seasons changed.

820
00:55:46,020 --> 00:55:48,140
Then at least I could watch the time
pass.

821
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,740
Darling Brenda, I spent time with the
chaplain today. We prayed and talked

822
00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:53,800
and... Happy anniversary.

823
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:58,620
Maybe this year will be the year we get
to see each other.

824
00:55:59,460 --> 00:56:00,460
Don't lose hope.

825
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,280
I love you.

826
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,540
Well, look at this.

827
00:56:08,180 --> 00:56:10,940
And here I thought you only liked
playing games with kids.

828
00:56:16,110 --> 00:56:17,910
When are you finally going to leave me
alone, Beth?

829
00:56:18,510 --> 00:56:21,110
Some people wanted the death penalty for
you, Nissen.

830
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:23,850
Yeah, and some people wanted life.

831
00:56:24,410 --> 00:56:27,110
Lucky for me, I only got 240 years, huh?

832
00:56:27,850 --> 00:56:29,930
Ain't long enough for your type.

833
00:56:31,450 --> 00:56:34,990
You know, in case you haven't noticed,
there's a lot of my type here.

834
00:56:35,730 --> 00:56:40,110
In fact, there's 26 of us here on Child
Molest, all from the same county.

835
00:56:40,810 --> 00:56:42,670
That seems kind of odd, doesn't it?

836
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,600
Or don't you think the system makes
mistakes?

837
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,680
Nah. Gee, the system's been my best
friend.

838
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:55,580
Just keep watching your back, Niffin.

839
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:15,140
Hey, it's got nothing to do with you
guys.

840
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:18,560
The Blacks just had to move, and the
Walkers are getting divorced.

841
00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:21,000
And the Platts had a family problem.

842
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,020
But listen, you're gonna like the
Sayers. They've got a boy your age, and

843
00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:27,240
they're really nice, and they really
want you guys.

844
00:57:28,780 --> 00:57:29,780
Come on.

845
00:57:46,410 --> 00:57:49,410
Don't touch my stuff. The real fun
always gets the top drawer.

846
00:57:49,970 --> 00:57:50,970
Watch out, kid.

847
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:52,510
Stay away from me.

848
00:57:54,070 --> 00:57:55,150
What's wrong with him?

849
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:56,750
Nothing.

850
00:57:57,050 --> 00:57:59,690
Well, don't take it out on me just
because your parents didn't love you.

851
00:58:03,550 --> 00:58:08,110
Hey, hey, boys. Okay, all right. Brian,
that's enough. John.

852
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:10,810
Okay, easy, easy.

853
00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:13,010
Dear Brenda.

854
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,380
I've been studying the legal journals,
and there's a lot of trouble brewing for

855
00:58:16,380 --> 00:58:19,360
the Kern County DA's office because of
the way they've handled these cases.

856
00:58:20,140 --> 00:58:22,760
There are questions about a lot of them
all across the country.

857
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,400
McMartin in Los Angeles, Amaral in
Massachusetts, Michaels in New Jersey.

858
00:58:28,340 --> 00:58:29,380
That's got to help us.

859
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:39,940
I'm sorry, Bess. I think this lady
wanted that.

860
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,240
You wanted that, right?

861
00:58:43,020 --> 00:58:44,640
You starting something with me?

862
00:58:45,060 --> 00:58:46,460
No, I'm ending something.

863
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,720
You get into it with me, girl, you'll be
in pieces. I'm already in pieces.

864
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,540
And if you want to get into it, just
come on. Because I've got nothing left

865
00:58:55,540 --> 00:58:56,980
lose and I'm done taking your crap.

866
00:59:11,470 --> 00:59:12,470
Wasn't hungry anyway.

867
00:59:13,010 --> 00:59:14,010
Come on.

868
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:26,350
Best take those getting used to.

869
00:59:34,190 --> 00:59:37,470
Maybe I can get the courts of the DA's
office to take a look at these results.

870
00:59:38,420 --> 00:59:41,700
They're usually the ones to order a lie
detector test, but they wouldn't do it.

871
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,340
And with years and years of dead ends,
we try everything.

872
00:59:45,820 --> 00:59:48,560
You said you were going to look over the
old police reports?

873
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,160
Oh, I did, yeah. It took me weeks to
wade through them all again.

874
00:59:52,780 --> 00:59:59,120
Anything? Yeah, when, uh... When I took
a look at the dates, I found something

875
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:00,120
odd.

876
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,100
It seems that some of these reports were
written weeks after the interviews with

877
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:05,460
the boys, and I got to tell you...

878
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,460
That's not police reporting. That's
creative writing.

879
01:00:09,260 --> 01:00:11,860
Yeah, it's one long fairy tale.

880
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,440
Well, look, uh... I didn't come without
any good news today.

881
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:24,780
Oh? Because of time and pressure from
Dick and the other families who were in

882
01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:28,200
the same boat, an investigation has been
launched by the state attorney

883
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,200
general's office.

884
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,320
They're looking into Kern County's
conduct of these molestation cases.

885
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:34,700
Really?

886
01:00:41,870 --> 01:00:45,310
Listen, Andy, it's not looking good for
us. I'm proud of my work, Sam. I did the

887
01:00:45,310 --> 01:00:46,310
right thing for these kids.

888
01:00:46,590 --> 01:00:50,370
There are court reversals now in a
number of East Coast cases. The papers

889
01:00:50,370 --> 01:00:53,930
questioning whether these kids told the
truth. Well, I believe the children, all

890
01:00:53,930 --> 01:00:54,589
of them.

891
01:00:54,590 --> 01:00:59,170
For God's sake, Andy, we've had kids,
you know, accuse people in our own

892
01:00:59,450 --> 01:01:02,690
They had the sheriff's department
digging up backyards looking for bodies

893
01:01:02,690 --> 01:01:03,690
weren't there.

894
01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:08,330
Over time, public opinion has taken a
nasty shift on this thing. I don't care

895
01:01:08,330 --> 01:01:11,110
about public opinion, Sam. These kids
did not make these things up.

896
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,520
We have saved them from lives of abuse
and degradation, and I am proud of that.

897
01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:16,000
Listen to me, Andy, that's fine.

898
01:01:16,220 --> 01:01:18,220
But I have to pull us out of this
tailspin.

899
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,260
We've got one of the kids from the old
Pitts case claiming that she was

900
01:01:21,260 --> 01:01:24,960
pressured by us to testify against her
family. Please, that didn't happen.

901
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,240
These cases go down the drain.

902
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,040
You go down the drain.

903
01:01:33,580 --> 01:01:35,260
Everything you touched will be reversed.

904
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:37,480
The court will tear you to pieces.

905
01:01:39,340 --> 01:01:40,340
Now look.

906
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:48,120
You and I have had problems on a number
of cases You're not a team player

907
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:56,500
I'm

908
01:01:56,500 --> 01:01:59,400
not sure we'll be able to find anything
much for you to do around here

909
01:02:10,060 --> 01:02:11,120
Can't keep talking about this.

910
01:02:11,580 --> 01:02:15,020
Brandon, how do you explain that I don't
remember any of it if it happened?

911
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:16,720
Do you remember your first day in
kindergarten?

912
01:02:17,180 --> 01:02:18,280
No, so what?

913
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,300
Grandma said you cried and tried to take
your bear with you.

914
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:23,320
So?

915
01:02:23,420 --> 01:02:26,540
So even though you don't remember it,
you know what happened because everyone

916
01:02:26,540 --> 01:02:27,540
said so.

917
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,000
That's the way it is with this.

918
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,580
Everyone said it happened, so it did.

919
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:34,460
I just don't believe it.

920
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,740
What, the whole world is lying to us?

921
01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:39,180
The courts?

922
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:43,460
The police, the social workers, foster
parents, they're all lying to us.

923
01:02:44,500 --> 01:02:45,500
Why?

924
01:02:46,420 --> 01:02:50,120
You see, it doesn't make sense any other
way. It must be true.

925
01:02:50,460 --> 01:02:52,020
It can't be true.

926
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,160
You just don't want to believe it.

927
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:02,940
Not again. That's it. All right, Brenda,
stop it. Stop it, you two, stop it.

928
01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:04,680
One of you has to go.

929
01:03:04,940 --> 01:03:07,400
I cannot have you both here any longer.

930
01:03:25,610 --> 01:03:29,190
Honey, I know it's harder for you this
week, with it being Brian's 13th

931
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:30,190
birthday.

932
01:03:30,370 --> 01:03:32,010
But soon we will all be together.

933
01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:35,450
We have a lot to look forward to now
that our appeal gets closer.

934
01:03:36,110 --> 01:03:39,630
I hang on to the thought that soon we
will be in each other's arms again.

935
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:42,850
Love forever, Scott.

936
01:03:51,130 --> 01:03:52,130
Mommy loves you.

937
01:04:00,810 --> 01:04:07,030
time okay you're up scott hey

938
01:04:07,030 --> 01:04:12,350
how are you i'm good oh it's so good to
hear your voice

939
01:04:12,350 --> 01:04:18,950
it's been so long this time i'm so
lonely for you

940
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:25,830
yeah they treating you okay actually
better all the time yeah your

941
01:04:25,830 --> 01:04:27,950
sparkling personality's wearing them
down huh

942
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:32,300
Learned a few things.

943
01:04:32,580 --> 01:04:34,320
Yeah, me too.

944
01:04:37,380 --> 01:04:38,960
It's a very good day for us.

945
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:43,780
Yeah, now that Gindas has resigned from
the DA's office, there's no one fighting

946
01:04:43,780 --> 01:04:46,900
us. Yeah, Mom and Dad can finally get
custody of Brian.

947
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:48,600
Yeah, Brian.

948
01:04:49,060 --> 01:04:50,860
But, you know, just Brian.

949
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:52,480
Scott.

950
01:04:54,180 --> 01:04:57,320
You know, it's been eight years.

951
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:03,180
I don't know, sweetheart.

952
01:05:03,460 --> 01:05:05,780
I don't know what he's thinking. I
don't.

953
01:05:06,700 --> 01:05:10,720
What if... What if he believes all the
lies?

954
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,880
What if he thinks that we're the
monsters that they say that we are?

955
01:05:15,420 --> 01:05:18,460
What if we get our appeal and I get out
of this hell only to find out that my

956
01:05:18,460 --> 01:05:20,800
son's... He... Ty.

957
01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:22,540
No.

958
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:24,600
Brent?

959
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:37,440
In a 367 -page opinion, Gindas was
blasted for being an overzealous

960
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:44,260
who, in his blind quest to convict,
forgot or ignored his constitutional and

961
01:05:44,260 --> 01:05:49,060
ethical duties as a representative of
the people. Every time we got ready for

962
01:05:49,060 --> 01:05:53,200
appeal, something got in the way. But
now that Gindas is gone, we're going to

963
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,420
win this time. I can feel it. It's
turned.

964
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:58,600
Did they really get out?

965
01:06:02,060 --> 01:06:04,640
We're not allowed to talk to you about
this. We could lose custody.

966
01:06:06,540 --> 01:06:08,700
All right.

967
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:12,200
I'll get it.

968
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,040
But that's just what Dick needs.

969
01:06:16,380 --> 01:06:17,460
He hasn't been well.

970
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,760
We don't know how long it will be before
the court makes a determination.

971
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,760
There's been a lot of harsh criticism
over the DA's office during these

972
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,620
molestation trials of the early 80s.

973
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,380
A number of these cases have been
reversed and people freed.

974
01:06:30,940 --> 01:06:33,880
We wait now for word on the fate of the
Niffin McEwen trial.

975
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:19,620
know i was a good mother you know it
what have i ever done how could you let

976
01:07:19,620 --> 01:07:24,460
this happen i prayed and i believed

977
01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:11,250
It's all too much.

978
01:08:11,590 --> 01:08:12,750
It's really too much.

979
01:08:13,450 --> 01:08:15,590
Thank you for sticking with us through
all of this.

980
01:08:18,830 --> 01:08:20,569
There's this lawyer, Michael Snedeker.

981
01:08:21,210 --> 01:08:22,510
He's very active and vocal.

982
01:08:22,910 --> 01:08:24,710
Victims of child abuse legislation.

983
01:08:25,630 --> 01:08:28,069
He's one of the attorneys that won the
appeal for the Pitts family.

984
01:08:31,350 --> 01:08:32,350
I'm gonna get to him.

985
01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:34,069
Will he take us?

986
01:08:35,290 --> 01:08:37,050
I thought I'd camp on his doorstep.

987
01:08:38,510 --> 01:08:39,510
Hey, Mr. Dunn.

988
01:08:41,550 --> 01:08:42,550
All right, Brian.

989
01:08:57,310 --> 01:09:00,609
Look, son, technically you're still
under protective custody because you're

990
01:09:00,609 --> 01:09:01,609
underage.

991
01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:05,330
And I know I'm not supposed to be
talking to you, and all hell is going to

992
01:09:05,330 --> 01:09:09,149
loose when I do, but I think it's time
that we talked about your parents and

993
01:09:09,149 --> 01:09:10,270
what went on back there.

994
01:09:12,140 --> 01:09:13,140
I want to.

995
01:09:15,660 --> 01:09:18,520
And your brother, too. I understand he's
with the Marines now.

996
01:09:18,819 --> 01:09:19,819
We don't talk much.

997
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:21,640
Not in a while, though.

998
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:32,279
Jenkins is back to punch for Hart.

999
01:09:34,340 --> 01:09:35,560
Okay, here's the kick.

1000
01:09:35,979 --> 01:09:37,200
And it's a good one.

1001
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:43,800
Takes the ball at the 23.

1002
01:09:44,540 --> 01:09:46,859
Cuts back across the green and finds his
blockers.

1003
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,540
He's down the sideline and only the
punter to beat.

1004
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,680
The 30. The 20. The 10.

1005
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,200
Touchdown!

1006
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:56,440
He'll take the lead in the state
championship.

1007
01:09:56,900 --> 01:09:58,080
13 -7.

1008
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,380
Oh, what a game we've got here, folks.

1009
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,280
Now the coach is on the timeline.

1010
01:10:05,180 --> 01:10:08,680
For 10 years, I've had a perfect record
in here.

1011
01:10:09,770 --> 01:10:13,990
Doctor, please try and appreciate how
desperately I want to visit with my son.

1012
01:10:14,510 --> 01:10:16,150
I don't doubt that you do.

1013
01:10:16,590 --> 01:10:17,590
They're grown.

1014
01:10:18,590 --> 01:10:21,710
They're 16 and 19.

1015
01:10:22,610 --> 01:10:24,770
What could I possibly do to hurt them?

1016
01:10:25,450 --> 01:10:27,050
Nothing. Then why?

1017
01:10:27,530 --> 01:10:29,050
Why can't I see them?

1018
01:10:29,410 --> 01:10:30,730
Because you're in denial.

1019
01:10:31,490 --> 01:10:33,470
I'm not in denial.

1020
01:10:35,850 --> 01:10:40,010
You can't make any progress or receive
any benefits from that progress until

1021
01:10:40,010 --> 01:10:41,470
first admit your problem.

1022
01:10:43,070 --> 01:10:46,690
You know, I don't have a problem, except
for I've been in prison for ten years

1023
01:10:46,690 --> 01:10:50,650
for something that never happened. I
will not okay a family visit while

1024
01:10:50,650 --> 01:10:51,650
in denial.

1025
01:10:52,690 --> 01:10:59,270
If you could admit

1026
01:10:59,270 --> 01:11:05,270
to even one small act of molestation,
I'd see that as a positive step.

1027
01:11:05,850 --> 01:11:07,570
And then I could recommend for the
visit.

1028
01:11:08,530 --> 01:11:11,870
If I say I molested my boys, you'll let
me see them?

1029
01:11:13,210 --> 01:11:14,210
Yes.

1030
01:11:24,010 --> 01:11:30,590
There is no force, or pressure,

1031
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:33,370
or bribe, or...

1032
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:38,530
that would ever make me say I did that
to my children.

1033
01:11:39,710 --> 01:11:45,330
I would rather die here alone than ever
have them think I did such a thing.

1034
01:11:57,330 --> 01:11:58,330
Hey, Grandma.

1035
01:11:58,350 --> 01:11:59,610
No sleeping at the table.

1036
01:12:00,990 --> 01:12:01,990
Grandma.

1037
01:12:03,190 --> 01:12:04,190
Grandma!

1038
01:12:05,180 --> 01:12:06,180
Grandma.

1039
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:07,560
Grandma.

1040
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,880
God, please bring Marilyn the peace she
so deserves.

1041
01:12:40,140 --> 01:12:41,140
Killed him.

1042
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,800
The whole thing, it killed him.

1043
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,400
Will you keep working to free my
parents?

1044
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:52,720
Till they turn off my light.

1045
01:13:21,710 --> 01:13:22,710
I'm sorry, Brian.

1046
01:13:24,270 --> 01:13:25,630
I know you were closer.

1047
01:13:26,410 --> 01:13:27,410
Yeah.

1048
01:13:27,890 --> 01:13:29,830
And I'm sorry I didn't make it to the
funeral on time.

1049
01:13:31,230 --> 01:13:32,470
How's Grandpa taking it?

1050
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:35,310
Tried to reach you last night.

1051
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:38,250
It's just so hard without Grandma.

1052
01:13:39,530 --> 01:13:40,530
What?

1053
01:13:41,790 --> 01:13:43,010
Last night in his sleep.

1054
01:13:44,130 --> 01:13:45,930
I think he died of a broken heart.

1055
01:13:51,950 --> 01:13:52,950
Stress all these years.

1056
01:14:00,170 --> 01:14:01,950
I wish I could have protected you more.

1057
01:14:03,770 --> 01:14:05,270
Been a better brother, somehow.

1058
01:14:07,010 --> 01:14:08,210
We have to make this right.

1059
01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:10,550
We have to get Mom and Dad out.

1060
01:14:12,130 --> 01:14:13,130
Brian.

1061
01:14:14,330 --> 01:14:15,330
Do you understand?

1062
01:14:17,770 --> 01:14:19,190
If it didn't happen...

1063
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:29,770
If none of it ever happened, then how
can I live with what I've done?

1064
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:51,510
Dear Scott, I have resigned myself to
the fact that I'm going to spend the

1065
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:52,510
of my life in prison.

1066
01:14:53,130 --> 01:14:57,450
The worst part is knowing I'll never see
you or my precious boys again.

1067
01:14:58,170 --> 01:15:03,650
This is no longer a nightmare I expect
to wake from, or a mistake I expect to

1068
01:15:03,650 --> 01:15:04,650
fixed.

1069
01:15:04,910 --> 01:15:08,170
I look to no one for help, not even God.

1070
01:15:09,190 --> 01:15:11,910
Our son's childhoods have already passed
us by.

1071
01:15:12,830 --> 01:15:15,410
I hope that they have found happiness
without us.

1072
01:15:15,710 --> 01:15:18,010
It is now the only thing I hope for.

1073
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:21,950
Always your loving wife, Brenda.

1074
01:15:30,220 --> 01:15:31,220
Oh, you must be Mr. Dunn.

1075
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:35,280
I'm Michael Snedeker. This is my wife
and law partner, Lisa Shorts. Thanks.

1076
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:36,300
ma 'am.

1077
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:42,760
I took the liberty of driving up the
files, along with my investigative

1078
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:47,340
and such, so that you two could get a
real idea about the case.

1079
01:15:49,100 --> 01:15:54,060
Well, I'm sorry you made such a long
drive. As I told you on the phone, we're

1080
01:15:54,060 --> 01:15:55,060
very busy now with other cases.

1081
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:56,860
Yep, long drive.

1082
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:04,360
Can I get a cup of coffee?

1083
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:09,440
So the younger one recanted, signed a
declaration that he'd lied and is

1084
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:10,438
to testify to that?

1085
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:14,000
Yeah. That's Brian. Nice kid. He's been
in 16 foster homes.

1086
01:16:14,740 --> 01:16:15,579
Oh, no.

1087
01:16:15,580 --> 01:16:16,580
And the older boy?

1088
01:16:17,140 --> 01:16:19,160
Well, I'm working on it, but there's
more guilt there.

1089
01:16:19,380 --> 01:16:20,640
We need him because he was older.

1090
01:16:21,620 --> 01:16:22,620
The grandparents?

1091
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:24,920
Good people.

1092
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,900
Scott's parents gave it everything they
had.

1093
01:16:30,300 --> 01:16:31,420
It killed them both.

1094
01:16:32,770 --> 01:16:37,850
Look, I know you helped get the Pitts
family freed. This is the same thing.

1095
01:16:38,110 --> 01:16:41,550
I know why you came to us, but it
doesn't change our work. Before you make

1096
01:16:41,550 --> 01:16:44,570
decision, listen to this.

1097
01:16:46,370 --> 01:16:49,230
I can't tell you where I got it or who
gave it to me.

1098
01:16:50,250 --> 01:16:54,030
All of the original interview tapes have
been misplaced.

1099
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:57,510
And I promised my source that they'd
remain anonymous.

1100
01:16:58,110 --> 01:17:00,270
The jury never got to hear the whole
tape.

1101
01:17:01,130 --> 01:17:02,130
You should.

1102
01:17:14,990 --> 01:17:18,370
They walked into their home, and they
took their children away.

1103
01:17:23,130 --> 01:17:24,750
There was the grace of God.

1104
01:17:28,210 --> 01:17:33,310
The inventory lists at least 26 ,000
pages of case documents. It'd take a

1105
01:17:33,310 --> 01:17:34,310
to read.

1106
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:37,190
Lisa, we can barely meet our commitments
now.

1107
01:17:37,630 --> 01:17:39,810
I want to go home. No, don't get scared.

1108
01:17:40,970 --> 01:17:42,650
Don't get scared on me, Brian.

1109
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,060
We told you we wouldn't lie to you,
Brian, and we won't.

1110
01:17:47,420 --> 01:17:48,740
I miss my mommy.

1111
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,200
Well, of course you do.

1112
01:17:55,340 --> 01:17:57,640
Sounds like the Marine Corps has been
real good for you.

1113
01:17:57,980 --> 01:18:00,240
It was the right thing at the right
time.

1114
01:18:02,860 --> 01:18:04,600
Hey, you're over 18 now, Brandon.

1115
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:06,720
Hell, you're a Marine.

1116
01:18:11,780 --> 01:18:12,800
You're, uh, free.

1117
01:18:13,370 --> 01:18:14,630
Just say whatever you want now.

1118
01:18:17,210 --> 01:18:19,310
Brandon, we need you.

1119
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:28,130
I've been confused for a long time about
what went on.

1120
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:31,390
What I said.

1121
01:18:32,610 --> 01:18:33,670
What really happened.

1122
01:18:34,050 --> 01:18:35,050
Who told me what.

1123
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:36,910
And now?

1124
01:18:39,570 --> 01:18:40,570
I'm so confused.

1125
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:47,120
Now, when I think about it, I know only
one thing for sure.

1126
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:55,600
If those things had been done to me, I'd
remember.

1127
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:04,440
What I do remember is that one day,

1128
01:19:04,580 --> 01:19:08,540
they walked in and they stole my
parents.

1129
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,300
The two most powerful people in my
world.

1130
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:18,680
That terrified me beyond words.

1131
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:29,100
What do we do?

1132
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:47,990
We're going in on a writ of habeas
corpus.

1133
01:19:48,430 --> 01:19:49,990
Which means we have to have new
evidence.

1134
01:19:50,650 --> 01:19:53,070
Exactly. Things not handled in the
original trial.

1135
01:19:53,810 --> 01:19:57,010
We intend to prove that you were
unjustly incarcerated for crimes that

1136
01:19:57,010 --> 01:19:58,670
happened. Well, what do we have?

1137
01:19:59,230 --> 01:20:01,070
Well, first, we have all the new
research data.

1138
01:20:02,110 --> 01:20:03,590
Unsuggested questioning, brainwashing.

1139
01:20:04,430 --> 01:20:05,430
Second, we have declaration.

1140
01:20:05,790 --> 01:20:10,630
From both your sons, recanting their
prior testimony, they stated

1141
01:20:10,630 --> 01:20:12,350
they were never molested.

1142
01:20:15,150 --> 01:20:16,150
They know.

1143
01:20:16,850 --> 01:20:17,850
They know.

1144
01:20:25,930 --> 01:20:28,230
There's no denying it's going to take
time getting this case together.

1145
01:20:28,810 --> 01:20:29,810
We need experts.

1146
01:20:30,210 --> 01:20:31,950
We need reports on doctor's testimony.

1147
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:34,670
We coordinated with local counsel Stan
Simran.

1148
01:20:34,990 --> 01:20:36,650
He knows all the players in Kern County.

1149
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:38,550
He's a very fine attorney.

1150
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,960
Mr. Snedeker, look,

1151
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:52,980
I genuinely appreciate everything you're
trying to do, but please understand,

1152
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:58,500
we will never, ever get a fair hearing
in Kern County.

1153
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:00,840
It's a different time now, Scott.

1154
01:21:19,470 --> 01:21:20,470
All right.

1155
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:22,030
Are you sure?

1156
01:21:22,150 --> 01:21:23,150
Yeah.

1157
01:21:49,740 --> 01:21:50,760
How beautiful you still are.

1158
01:21:51,220 --> 01:21:52,220
Liar.

1159
01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:56,160
Hey, stop. You're not supposed to do
that. No, come on. What are you going to

1160
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:57,160
do, arrest us?

1161
01:21:58,100 --> 01:21:59,100
They know.

1162
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,240
They know none of it happened.

1163
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:03,580
I can live with anything else.

1164
01:22:04,580 --> 01:22:09,420
Since May 16th, 1984, and for the past
12 years, Brenda Niffin and Scott Niffin

1165
01:22:09,420 --> 01:22:13,660
have been illegally confined in the
custody and control of the California

1166
01:22:13,660 --> 01:22:14,700
Department of Corrections.

1167
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,560
The accusations against the Niffins
arose through one woman, Mary Ann

1168
01:22:19,070 --> 01:22:22,550
during an episode of a recurring
psychosis while she was caretaking for

1169
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:26,970
granddaughters, Jenny and Caroline
McEwen. Your Honor, in order to find for

1170
01:22:26,970 --> 01:22:30,690
writ, the defense has to bring in new
evidence that was not known or

1171
01:22:30,690 --> 01:22:32,970
during the very lengthy original trial.

1172
01:22:33,210 --> 01:22:35,770
Now, the trial addressed the Mary Ann
Barber issue.

1173
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:37,590
That is true, Mr. Snedeker.

1174
01:22:39,930 --> 01:22:44,490
No one now in the medical community
believed the wink response is indicative

1175
01:22:44,490 --> 01:22:46,470
of... Again, Your Honor...

1176
01:22:47,290 --> 01:22:50,010
Experts disagreeing on this was
presented in the original trial.

1177
01:22:52,010 --> 01:22:55,530
Your Honor, you have just heard a series
of experts testify that Brandon and

1178
01:22:55,530 --> 01:23:00,050
Brian were subjected to what we now
know, due to recent research, is

1179
01:23:00,050 --> 01:23:04,330
and suggestive questioning by officials
who were already convinced that the

1180
01:23:04,330 --> 01:23:05,269
abuse had occurred.

1181
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:09,630
It is this new research into the area of
brainwashing and coercion that explains

1182
01:23:09,630 --> 01:23:10,630
how this happened.

1183
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:15,670
The district attorney's office was
unwilling to accept any answer other

1184
01:23:15,670 --> 01:23:16,670
what they sought.

1185
01:23:16,990 --> 01:23:18,630
They whipped up a witch hunt frenzy.

1186
01:23:20,750 --> 01:23:22,350
Look at him. He's wonderful.

1187
01:23:23,870 --> 01:23:27,710
Brandon, when you were nine years old,
during your first taped interview, you

1188
01:23:27,710 --> 01:23:29,910
were asked 340 leading questions.

1189
01:23:30,990 --> 01:23:34,970
What happened during that questioning
when you told them there was no abuse?

1190
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:42,570
They'd get mad, and they'd ask me over
and over, accuse me of lying or of

1191
01:23:42,570 --> 01:23:44,050
calling my brother a liar.

1192
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:49,520
I was terrified.

1193
01:23:51,940 --> 01:23:55,620
Your Honor, in the reports of the
interviews with these little boys, no

1194
01:23:55,620 --> 01:24:00,240
was ever made that they both initially
denied that they were abused.

1195
01:24:00,740 --> 01:24:06,020
The interviewers described things and
then badgered the boys until they

1196
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:12,000
Brandon, how many times do you think
someone from the district attorney's

1197
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,480
talked to you between the time you were
taken and the time of the trial?

1198
01:24:16,780 --> 01:24:17,780
Fifty.

1199
01:24:18,670 --> 01:24:19,670
Maybe more.

1200
01:24:20,970 --> 01:24:22,870
And if I didn't remember it just right,

1201
01:24:23,710 --> 01:24:25,130
they'd get really angry.

1202
01:24:25,890 --> 01:24:28,510
They would lock the door, trap me in
there for hours.

1203
01:24:28,930 --> 01:24:31,630
Sitting there alone, I would have said
anything to make it stop.

1204
01:24:32,990 --> 01:24:34,930
Do you remember what you thought was
going to happen?

1205
01:24:36,890 --> 01:24:43,890
I thought if I answered the questions
the way they wanted... I could go

1206
01:24:43,890 --> 01:24:45,410
home with my parents.

1207
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:48,640
For that, I would have done anything.

1208
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:51,340
I would have said anything.

1209
01:24:53,660 --> 01:24:58,520
Their right to due process was violated.
Their right to present witnesses was

1210
01:24:58,520 --> 01:24:59,520
violated.

1211
01:25:00,220 --> 01:25:03,480
The prosecution failed to preserve
evidence in the trial.

1212
01:25:03,900 --> 01:25:06,040
They failed to turn over exculpatory
evidence.

1213
01:25:06,300 --> 01:25:11,740
Your Honor, these two boys, now men, do
not want to live with the stigma of

1214
01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:12,740
child molestation.

1215
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:13,759
That is understandable.

1216
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,060
But there has been no new, unconsidered
evidence presented.

1217
01:25:17,340 --> 01:25:20,820
Everything the defense has offered was
considered in the original nine -month

1218
01:25:20,820 --> 01:25:23,880
trial where 12 citizens found these
defendants guilty.

1219
01:25:24,460 --> 01:25:25,540
Look at our boy.

1220
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:28,240
He's a man.

1221
01:25:31,460 --> 01:25:38,360
In the words of Justice Brandeis, the
greatest dangers to liberty lurk

1222
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,620
in the insidious encroachment by men of
zeal.

1223
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,820
Well -meaning, but without
understanding.

1224
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,940
Listen to the interview tape in its
entirety.

1225
01:25:53,860 --> 01:25:58,540
Witnesses concur that there were many
interview tapes of these two young boys.

1226
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,680
Only this one, located by Denver Dunn,
has survived.

1227
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:05,340
Listen to it, Your Honor.

1228
01:26:14,570 --> 01:26:16,750
We wouldn't lie to you, Brian, and we
won't.

1229
01:26:17,070 --> 01:26:18,410
I miss my mommy.

1230
01:26:22,510 --> 01:26:27,670
Two little boys were ripped from their
loving home, isolated, frightened,

1231
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:33,410
bounced from foster home to foster home,
while being used to convict and

1232
01:26:33,410 --> 01:26:34,510
imprison their parents.

1233
01:26:35,630 --> 01:26:41,250
Two little boys, all the while believing
that when this was over, they would be

1234
01:26:41,250 --> 01:26:43,610
reunited with their parents and go home.

1235
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:45,740
Were these kids abused?

1236
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:48,280
Yes, Your Honor.

1237
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:50,440
They sure were.

1238
01:27:18,500 --> 01:27:21,120
Well, what do you know, Niffin? You were
right.

1239
01:27:21,660 --> 01:27:22,660
You're going home.

1240
01:28:00,650 --> 01:28:01,650
Hold it, boy.

1241
01:28:09,190 --> 01:28:12,730
I can finally call someone, Dad.

1242
01:28:16,590 --> 01:28:17,610
I'm so sorry.

1243
01:28:18,110 --> 01:28:19,250
I'm so sorry.

1244
01:28:19,490 --> 01:28:20,369
No, no.

1245
01:28:20,370 --> 01:28:23,990
Brandon, you were just a little boy. It
wasn't your fault. It was never your

1246
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:25,030
fault. We always knew that.

1247
01:28:25,470 --> 01:28:26,470
Always.

1248
01:28:27,660 --> 01:28:31,760
I celebrated every single one of your
birthdays, sweetie. Every one.

1249
01:28:32,180 --> 01:28:33,440
I missed you so much.

1250
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:36,640
Finally.

1251
01:28:38,540 --> 01:28:39,540
Finally.

1252
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,200
Congratulations. Thank you.

1253
01:28:47,580 --> 01:28:48,580
Oh, Mom.

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Let's go home.